Saturday, September 10, 2005

Honesty or not, that is the ?



       "Mom, I know when we talked before, you told me you experimented with drugs and alcohol when you were a teen. I was wondering, what kind of drugs did you do and how did it feel?" asked the 13 year old daughter of Rebecca, AKA Mom. "Oh and how often did you do them?" 


       I knew, from the moment I conceived a child, that I held a past I didn't want to reveal to my children or really anyone else for that

matter.

        I discovered I was pregnant when I was a mere child of 19 years old, a teen statistic, an unmarried, wild child. Ironically, just a month before I found out I was pregnant, I had begged my parents to let me move back home, to clean up, sober up, get off drugs, and salvage what I could reclaim of the high school diploma I missed getting by 3 credits. You don't pass if you never show up for school~~

       Discovering I was pregnant, was probably the best thing that ever happened to me in the sense I did a complete 180 turn. It wasn't easy, in fact it was a life changing and a turning point. The road I was on was heading absolutely no where, and quickly. My parents had to hide me from "friends" and "others" who were constantly trying to find me. I had to remove myself from anyone and everyone I knew. At least, my mind was clear enough to understand I had life inside my belly and I found it very easy to refrain from drinking, smoking pot, snorting anything and worse.

       I found the moment I removed myself from the "crowd" I could see clearly and felt the need to be in the center of it all gone with utter conviction. I've never touched another drug since.....

       Now, I gaze into the eye's of the little girl who helped her Mother more then I could ever explain to her, and wonder how far my honesty should be extended. I sometimes sit and listen to other Mothers, who seem to have no problem telling their children all the interesting things they did when they were teens. One of my daughters friends has a Mother who, in front of Shelby and her daughter, told us wild and crazy stories about stealing cars, getting drunk when she was a teen and having sex with her boyfriend on a park bench. I was not amused by this story. I was not amused by her clear lack of boundaries and information. This was a story she told us while sitting at the bleachers of a softball game, told purely for either entertainment value or self bonding with the teens. Again, I was not amused.

       But then, am I the one that has an unrealistic expectation here? Because of my experience, I know the pitfalls, I have many contingency plans already formulated and ready for the battlefront if needed. My parents, were good parents, they were the Walton's and I turned into a child from the twilight zone. They had no idea how to handle me, help me, and control the girl who once was so good.

       This is where I know my children are at a distinct disadvantage. As I have already explained to them, if they try it, I'll know it. If they sneak it, I'll know it. If they were to come home and their pupils were dilated one millimeter too small, I'll spot it.

       I don't deny the fact that I've been preparing for their teenagehood since I had them. Probably even giving it too much thought and measure, but I am determined not to let my daughters ever go as deep as I fell. I'm not naive enough to believe there won't be issues and problems as they assert their independence from me. I expect it actually.

       But with that, it brings me right back to how honest should a parent be in regard to a past they aren't proud of?

       I can honestly say at this point in time, I've done a great job of raising my daughters. They are both great students, honest, and rarely if ever actually get into trouble. They are respectful, gracious, well-mannered, happy and strong of character.
Does that mean they are ticking time bombs of teenage hell waiting to go off like I did once? Or will I manage to maneuver them through this next 5 and 8 years without any devastating blows to their real future?

       Would honesty about my past help, or distract from the values and expectations I've already implemented
? I know in life, what will happen, happens, but as a parent, I feel a responsibility to help them, guide them and fight for them.I've been ready, willing and doing that since they were born. I imagine I'll do that till the day I pass away.

       I'll continue with whats worked so far and continue to lay bricks in the foundation I've tried to help build underneath them all these years.

       And I'll continue to secretly chant counter curses to the curse my Mother once yelled at me when I was a teen. I believe it went something like this, " I hope you have daughters someday, because you'll deserve every single little thing they do to you when they are teens!"

       I knew both times I was pregnant, within weeks and until the day they were born I was having a girl. I didn't even bother picking boys names...........
Curses are good like that~

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think you should be say exactly what you have said here. You don't have to go into details, but you can let your daughters know just how precious they are. You don't have to be blatantly honest like the mother you described, but I think something must be said, you know? Your kids (and mine too) are going to be hearing a lot of things. So it's best if your daughters get their information from you.

I wonder about this myself sometimes. It's certainly not easy. I wish you all the best.

Ari

Anonymous said...

I do not believe your daughters need to know everything you did when you were a teen, only what you're comfortable telling them.  I think you've done an excellent job of raising them so far, instilling morals and values that are set deep in their souls.  They will be good, testing the waters whenever they can.  My experience with daughters, my one and only daughter, 14 to 18 is pretty rough, even with the best of rearing.

Anonymous said...

Wow that is a hard one a little bit goes a long way

Deb

Anonymous said...

This is one of the toughest conundrums that I think a parent faces.  I know that I've erred on both sides, and all I can say is it's a feel your way along issue. Good luck, the teenage years will bring surprises, but some of them are treasures.

Anonymous said...

Children learn by what they see, feel, and are taught. I can see no reason to change their views of you by telling them of your past mistakes! It will not keep them from making any mistakes of their own. Only the love and guidence you have given them is nessary! If you teach a child to have respect for themselves, and to also have respect for others, then you have truely been a good parent! Bless you all, Rhonda

Anonymous said...

My kids know my good, my bad and my ugly! I parent by being truthful about my past and I hope that helps them to be truthful about their present time. My wild days sound like your wild days and then some. My two older children (19 and 22) experimented in high school, with pot and alcohol both knowing it was not what I wanted them to do, but we all know about kids doing things their parents don't want them to do. It never became a big problem for them and for that I am thankful. I remember when my now 19 year old was a sophomore in H.S. She had just got ungrounded and was going out with her friends......15 minutes later she's back home, so I ask if they got into an argument, she said no, that her friends were on their way to downtown Chicago to get some drugs and that it wasn't her thing and they knew that so they dropped her off when she asked them too.....    now kudos for her for comng home instead of taking that ride........kudos for me for her feeling safe enough to share that part of her night with me.

My other philosophy is this....if they are smart enough to ask the questions then they are smart enough to hear the answers.....I just take into consideration their age and how they understand things but I always give them truthful answers, and then repeat to them that not all parents have these kinds of conversations with their children so it is something that is not to be shared on the playground....all parents 'parent' at different speed and I don't want to  interfere with others speed, but my kids asked and learned things very early. My past (wild days) was always enough to discourage them from following suit and so far so good! lol

Anonymous said...

Ah yes we were both asked similar questions...along with the "ever been arrested?" How come? Ewwww ugh......What I have found is honesty YET in the simplest form. Translation sans details.
Having had my share of the "extra curricular" activities and both of us having "friends" with less than vituous, ummm endeavors and goals in life....They know of moments. We have never shied away from the uglier side of life when teaching. We just make the strong attempt to show ALL sides. Having worked in the substance abuse field...I had the brutal stories, the not so happy endings to share. The oldest...has been through alot with old mom here...some really trying times. He too, like your oldest was my angel. My savior so to speak. If that moment of realization of a life never occurred I shudder to think of where my life would have been. I just hope the wisdom we do share with them is enough to keep the head level. I am not naive to think they wont try any of it...Yet they all know we are here. It is a tough balance Rebecca. We will get through it. THe ups and downs, maybe we are just more informed and experienced that it shines through in our everyday lives, that the details dont have to be shared, just the knowledge alone and how we conduct our lives in the present is the greatest example we can strive for! Great entry...You are a wonderful  Mother....I think its great that she approached you with it...THat says alot of trust and connection in itself!
Peace
Jo

Anonymous said...

I guess I'm just glad mine have reached the ages of 18 and 21 without having ever asked.  I don't think I would be particularly revealing, beyond saying that it was a very different time.  I would be honest about a pregnancy if it had resulted in one of them, but beyond that?  Maybe I would just say, which is the truth, what a friend commented once when we were having this discussion -- "I did drink and do drugs and, you know what?  It was never any fun."

I think it's wonderful that your're such a thoughtful parent.  Good luck with the teen years.  And brace yourself -- I, too, once said, "If they try it, I'll know it."  And something completely different came down the pike.

Anonymous said...

This is beautiful, heartfelt writing. Your girls are very lucky!
V

Anonymous said...

Your girls are beautiful! And your writing is so honest and sincere about an obviousl dilemma for you. I think you need to be honest in your answers to their questions so that you can continue to allow an open door of conversation between your daughters and you, but at the same time I think we don't need to go into all the "gory" details of past exploits. I think they need to be aware of how your past had an impact on you and those around you and what led you down the road to do some of the things you did so if they are in similar situations, they can perhaps remember what mom did or what mom felt and make a different decision than you did at their age.

I was a "good" child in that I never experimented with drugs or alcohol and smoked a total of three cigarettes in my life. I was honest with my son about why I chose not to do those things. My brother was a little on the wild side and I was honest with my son about the life he chose as a teen and young adult and some of the consequences he paid. I didn't go into specifics about what he used, but relayed the message anyway.

My husband had more of a wild past than I did. He is careful with what he relates to our son to make sure our son doesn't get the message that it was okay to do those things, but at the same time alert him of the risks out there.

Its a fine balancing act as you described, but you are doing a good job. I think we just need to make sure to keep the lines of communication open without compromising values and boundaries. And that is the juggling act responsible parents and people deal with daily. Best of luck to us all!

betty

Anonymous said...

I think honesty is the best policy.... but gory detail can be way too much. My mom shared things with me at a young age about her sex life and such that I still have not been able to blot out of my memory.................:(:(:(
judi

Anonymous said...

ouch that is tough.........because you have done such a great job of raising your girls.....you will find the balance needed here between too little/ too much........I`d say those girls are damn lucky to have such a good mom

Anonymous said...

I think that it is important that you share with your daughters that you made mistakes you are not proud of in your past and leave it at that.  I believe the mother who shared too much in the bleachers will live to regret what she mistakenly thought was giving her "points" in the eyes of the teens.  Kids are to have a level of respect concerning their parents and they cannot help but rationalize their own behavior if they see that the person to whom they look to for guidance and as a role model has shown all their flaws. While I believe honesty is a wonderful way to communicate, there are still some details parents need to keep to themselves.  I thought that sharing some details with my two children would help them "see the light."  It didn't.  They wanted to travel the road themselves and my previous admissions only came back to hamper my efforts to guide them as a parent.  Good luck to you as you hold the line with your girls.  THAT, I believe, is the most difficult part of being a parent.  
Donna

Anonymous said...

you only human everyone makes mistakes those who claim they don't just don't want to adknowledge it but admitting them and owning up to them like you have done is a courage thing you are a great human being don't beat yourself over things from the past ~Kristina (pittsk615)

Anonymous said...

Yes, curses are good like that~  My curse is that I've never been blessed with children.  Yup, curses are good like that...
Best,
Judith
http://journals.aol.com/jtuwliens/MirrorMirrorontheWall

Anonymous said...

I totally believe in being honest with your kids.  I have 4...all grown now, but when they ask me if I did something when I was younger, I tell the truth.  But, I don't glamorize it, or make it sound like something I was proud of doing.  I tell them the truth because they need to know that I am not perfect now, nor was I then.  I think that if you make your kids think you were perfect and never did anything wrong, that they find you are just a really hard person to live up to.  This is of course, just my opinion, but, it worked for my kids.  They aren't perfect either, and every one of them tried pot... but, I am proud to say that they didn't continue with it.  They grew up and moved on.  Just like you did.  Just like I did.
You sound like a very good mom to me.. :)   I am sure that you will make the right choices when it comes to telling your daughter whatever it is she needs to know.
Sorry for the long comment, esepecially from someone that you don't even know.. lol

BTW... I'm Jackie.. and I love your journal!  :)

Jackie

http://journals.aol.com/siennastarr/Waitingtoexhale/

Anonymous said...

Wow.  This story could have been mine!  (I never could have expressed it as you have though!)  From the torture I put my parents through as a wild, rebelleous teenage bag of confusion, to the incredible transformation into a protective, loving, scared @#$%less mother of 2 amazing girls.  I have always believed in honesty, yet I am so worried that what I may feel comfortable telling them about my past will give them an open door to a possible road to nowhere.  
Yet, the story the other Mother told infront of your daughter was way out of line.
She sounds as if she is proud of her past and wants her daughter and friends to think she is cool.  There is definetely a line there.  I have faith in the you that I have come to know.  Rebecca, you will do just fine.    Michelle

Anonymous said...

awww.. I know JUST WHAT YOU MEAN!  Being a reformed wild child myself and now a mother of 4 (3 of them girls)!

There comes a day in our lives when we see our parents as human... and then it comes to be our turn when our own children see us as not perfect but with a past before them and flaws.  

I try and be honest with mine and stress the conquences I had to endure because of my mistakes and ask them to learn from them but it always depends on the child or the situation about how much details I get into.

Anonymous said...

I can certainly identify, Rebecca.
I have found that being horribly honest has sometimes been a terrible mistake, at least where my kids were concerned. On the other hand, I simply couldn't be any other way. We struggle with our faults and past decisions, but as our children make mistakes, we can be comfortable in knowing that our own honesty will help them be honest in admitting to their parents and to themselves, that they have made a mistake. My motto continues to be to to tell them the truth, but try not to give them all the gory details...
MAryanne
http://journals.aol.com/globetrotter2u/Myfeelingsarereal/entries/1167

Anonymous said...

For every wonderful story how someone can pull themselves out of the mouth of the drug demon there is ten stories how some never made it.
My son has drug me through every hell hole you can imagine...
Now at 28 years old, is he free?
No....he battles a dark side I can't imagine.
Did I do drugs..I smoked a little pot. My hub did lots before the boys.
My family is a standard wipe out due to drugs and the wreckage it left behind.
I cry when I see our beautiful young people test the waters...I fear who will drown and who will swim.
Don't be shamed, you survived. You can tell it like it is when the time is right.
Forgive yourself....being smart doesn't always come from books. Life is also a classroom.
Beautiful daughters Rebecca, hold their face and look them in the eye.
There is a wealth of experiences and feelings behind those eyes...a mother's love is sometimes the only saving factor..even if it is after the matter.


Wishing you health, happiness and laughter.
TJ~

http://journals.aol.com/paisleyskys/PaisleySkys
http://journals.aol.com/vaultofsecrets/MoonDancer

Anonymous said...

Counter curse away, I only hope it works for me too!

Definitly need to know is a good rule of thumb when telling your children about passed experimenting or transgressions.  When telling my boys about the (eventually upcoming) trials and why I have to go, I just let them know the very basics.  They seem content with that and aren't confused or dismayed by the 'detail' I spared them.  That's how I feel about that anyway.  Honesty, always, but in controlled doses.

Tammy

Anonymous said...

Ahhh, Parenting. I wish there was a Owners Manual.  The only thing that keeps me in tune with their lives (My kids of my own) is the fact that I talk to them on their level, look in their eyes and be their friend who listens to them talk about their likes, dislikes, friends, foes, their dreams, and I find that I tell them stories of my yesteryears.  Some are very influential stories because I was a strong teen that really didnt have her parents around but I had the best friends I could ask for as my family, school, and church was my home after the military memories.   You are a good mom.  Communicate with them even when they stop communicating with you.  
See you around...
Renee'

Anonymous said...

Honesty would help in that you know they were MISTAKES - you need not talk about how frequently to talk about what they did to your life. Be real. Would that not instill the values you want in them? I would think so, yes? Tell your daughter what she did for you. Tell her how you changed because of her. That would carry great weight.

Anonymous said...

Most of the time the past needs to remain right where it is ~ it's better not to "replay" it, especially for our children.

You've been very honest with your daughter, but now she's older and she is testing the water.  How much will Mom open up?  How much detail are we going to hear?

In this situation as in all others, you have already given the necessary information and you're not going to elaborate.  To what purpose?  You definitely don't want to do a play-by-play like the lady at the game!

You seem to have a real knack for KNOWING your daughters'
needs.  I have a feeling you WOULD know if one of them "experimented".  

You are a wonderful fun Mom who knows when it is time to give a hug or use some words of warning ~ sometimes those words have to be BIG and STRONG.  You usually know just what to say  . . .  it's like an ON STAR SYSTEM, but much more basic. It's MOM RADAR and it has served you well.    

Being a parent is the ultimate adventure.  Your girls are smart.  They're SO lucky to have you as their mother . . .  and I think they are VERY aware of that fact!  <grin>
         Cyndy

Anonymous said...

The best thing my mother did for me was show me that I was not just a mistake she had made in her life when she was 18. I think I have learned to love her and respect her so much more knowing what she gave up to raise me. Knowing that she was able to turn her life around because of me. I think your kids deserve the truth if they ask for it, you have nothing to be ashamed of, and if anything they will learn from you... isnt that what you want?

That helped me a lot to through my childhood. Rather than looking at myself as a mistake and a burden on my mother, because I knew that I was at times, our honest and open relationship allowed me to see this strong powerful beautiful woman who was able to give me things that kids with two parents with settled lives couldnt give their children. I wasn't a mistake, I was a blessing. That is how I see it for myself and I feel your kids will love knowing that they did that for you, too.

Amanda
http://journals.aol.com/trickeytricky/CountryMyKindaLivin  

Anonymous said...

Rebecca, you sound like the most fantastic mother. How strong and honorable you were to the baby growing inside you, to turn your life around so dramatically. I suppose I'm quite old fashioned when it comes to children and "honesty". If it serves a real purpose to share the intricacies of your experiences then that is all well and good, but if a parent just wants to unburden themselves for no useful purpose other than to "share" and psuedo bond (like that daft women at the game) then I don't think it can ever be the right thing to do. I would say we should share our life experiences by degrees as and when necessary to illustarte a point or educate on certain matters. Full knowledge of the darker side of life has never offered protection. Old sayings are often the best sayings , and sometimes I think Ignorance is Bliss.
Tilly x
http://journals.aol.co.uk/tillysweetchops/Adventuresofadesperatelyfathouse/

Anonymous said...

Rebecca (fka Becky),

What an amazing entry you have written.  I know I'd have the deer in the headlights look if Brett ever asked me that question.  

Chris & Alexis

Anonymous said...

Oh Sweetie Sweetie Sweetie......................................................
Before I met my wife, when I was in my 20's, I did every drug known to man at that time. I played in a band and toured the midwest. It was a wild 7 years on the road. By the time I met my wife I was shooting heroin everyday. I thank the Lord for bringing her into my life. I havent touched a drug since June 1985 (20 years).
My kids asked me a few years ago, my oldest was 14 then, if I did drugs when they were looking at old pictures of my band. So I told them that I did. I did so, to show them the effects of what drugs can do. It has contributed to my health problems. So hopefully that will help them to see that the long term effects can be devastating.

Anonymous said...

"I knew both times I was pregnant, within weeks and until the day they were born I was having a girl. I didn't even bother picking boys names...........
Curses are good like that~"
LOLOLOL!!!  My mom put that hex on me, too.  I got pregnant with my son and had him when I was 19.  My son is the male version of what I was and I have 4 more years of it.  I agree on your parenting- you parent with strong hand and guidance to do what's right- but there are limits to what your kids need to know about your past.
Tough questions come along.....you breathe.....count to 10 and give the best answer you can.  That's all you can do~there's no set of directions~ The Dr's at the hospital didn't hand you a manual on what to do after they were born!
Hugs,
Gina

Anonymous said...

I can only speak from my own experience, but Keith and I had to enter rehab in 86 for our demon, speed... I think the answer or depth of answer you provide has to be dependent on the child's age and wisdom.. at this point, ALL our kids know what we battled and part of our reason for coming clean is that addiction tends to be an inherited trait. They needed to know that they already have the predilection for addiction. In one sense, you don't want to tell for fear that the kids will go" BUT you did it". On the other hand, at least in my case, my kids will come to me freely to talk about issues, concerns and how to avoid those who would encourage drug use......there's more to say, but I'll save it for email....Trust yourself to be real for your kids... they will look back when they have their own obstacles to overcome and find their strength based on what you gave them in the way of tools, courage and wisdom... Penny

Anonymous said...

Wow Thats toughf